tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15986597.post480095887723338764..comments2023-11-07T08:12:05.520-05:00Comments on The 5th Estate 2009: Polling the Surge: Mass-Debating, O’Handjob and Bollocks5th Estatehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14918749316906295703noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15986597.post-8001415290464586272007-08-16T19:00:00.000-04:002007-08-16T19:00:00.000-04:00red...forsooth! The 2008 elections will provide a ...red...<BR/><BR/>forsooth! <BR/><BR/>The 2008 elections will provide a very interesting milestone (I'm NOT predicting a Dem landslide by the way) and a very interesting accounting (both real and imagined).<BR/>I sincerely hope and the next 18 months unfold that you will be able, in your respectably whidely references blog, to say to Canada's equivalent of US GOIP supporters--"OH YEAH!? WE:: LOOK WHAT YOUR IDEAS DID TO THE US, YOU DIMWITS!"<BR/><BR/>It's the only thing the US has to offer to anyone this days--an example.5th Estatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14918749316906295703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15986597.post-83926777439966291072007-08-16T18:48:00.000-04:002007-08-16T18:48:00.000-04:00Archer... thank YOU for dropping by (as you've kin...Archer... thank YOU for dropping by (as you've kindly done before) , and thanks as well for fraking ME out with your comment: yeah there really doesn't seem to be much movement in the media back to informed cynicism and reasoned independent analysis. <BR/>I mean, it seems like the pendulum swung wildly in one direction and then got stuck there. It is worrisome.<BR/>Still, on the bright side, how awesome would it be to witness the self-inflicted destruction of the world's greatest power, first-hand and in "real time" for once? :D5th Estatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14918749316906295703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15986597.post-82363801744185502862007-08-16T16:21:00.000-04:002007-08-16T16:21:00.000-04:00Another case of the "big lie" and the lying liars ...Another case of the "big lie" and the lying liars who lie, I'm afraid. The surge was bullshit from the outset, the military has being lying about its progress since it began, the interim assessments by so-called "experts" and "critics" are delusional lies for the most part, the media's retailing of their lies, er, I mean "good news" has been done under false pretenses and now we learn that the the administration has been lying about the forthcoming Iraq report as being solely the work of Gen. Petraeus (and Crocker), but rather that it will doubtless be self-serving lies from the Army compounded by those of administration officials that will then be broadcast with uncritical enthusiasm by corporate media hacks. Time to fire up the motorized goalposts! Again. <BR/><BR/>Ain't life grand in the Bush Imperium?Red Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00422305796158017027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15986597.post-42485817447936202542007-08-16T13:52:00.000-04:002007-08-16T13:52:00.000-04:00Thank you 5th, excellent work.Clearly, the entire ...Thank you 5th, excellent work.<BR/><BR/>Clearly, the entire freakin' world is just holding its collective breath and grimly hanging on until the Bush years are over. Not much of a strategy, I know, but is it possible that journalism is doing the same thing and that in 09 we might see the MSM "retreat to reality" as the mid-nightmare paralysis fades and the birds begin singing again? Or is the corporate sellout so complete that what we are witnessing now is simply the up close, slow motion death throes of a once proud giant, now twisted by greed, toxic and poisonously angry that its days of unquestioned supremacy are coming to an end?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15986597.post-86281385847191199042007-08-16T10:32:00.000-04:002007-08-16T10:32:00.000-04:00O'Pollack admitted their junket was paid for by th...<A HREF="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/08/14/ohanlon-and-pollack-are-exposed-as-frauds/" REL="nofollow">O'Pollack admitted</A> their junket was paid for by the Pentagon.Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03664920037425489644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15986597.post-77111965695585047922007-08-16T10:23:00.000-04:002007-08-16T10:23:00.000-04:00anon...maybe I should follow your format and save ...anon...maybe I should follow your format and save everyone a bit of time :D <BR/><BR/>Yes indeed the "surge" IS working--as a selaying tactic to be exploited during the next few election cycles (wait! Do we HAVE election cycles any more? )5th Estatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14918749316906295703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15986597.post-36112603143565358982007-08-15T21:05:00.000-04:002007-08-15T21:05:00.000-04:00Of course to me the surge (escalation) made no sen...Of course to me the surge (escalation) made no sense ... good money after bad.<BR/>But as usual I misunderestimated the sheer mendacity of these guys:<BR/>* do the surge<BR/>* keep telling people it is working<BR/>* delay resolution of Iraq mess till '09<BR/>* blame democrats etc for losing the war just when we were starting to win<BR/>* it is working ... brilliant! <BR/>Sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com